Jenny Huang is an award-winning concert pianist, brand marketer, DEI leader, and public speaker. She has been recognized as one of the most “Inspiring Women” by Campaign US. With a trailblazing career in marketing and communications, Jenny has worked extensively with Fortune 500 clients. She currently leads brand marketing and communications at Energy BBDO while also serving as the Global Culture Lead for Omnicom’s Asian Leaders Circle. Throughout her career, Jenny has distinguished herself through her unique combination of creativity, strategic thinking, and empathy.
FWM: Share your background.
Thank you for having me! My name is Jenny Huang. For the past decade, I dedicated countless hours to mastering the piano and performing internationally as a concert pianist. Music has been and will always be my passion, teaching me discipline, creativity, and emotional connection with audiences.
However, my journey as a successful chess player in my earlier years sparked a desire for business in my heart and honed my exceptional analytical skills. In the past few years, I made the transition into the marketing world and discovered that, like music, it’s about creating meaningful connections and evoking emotions. Brand marketing became the perfect platform for me to express creativity and strategic thinking.
With a background in music and a strong desire to innovate and connect with people, I bring a unique perspective to the marketing industry. I believe that the intersection of art and marketing allows me to deliver impactful campaigns. Additionally, I feel fortunate to have found a different stage to share my stories as a public speaker, connecting with and inspiring others along the way.
FWM: What excites you the most about advertising?
The aspect of advertising that excites me the most is the combination of creativity and strategy, the opportunity to tell compelling stories and create experiences that resonate with people. Through creative campaigns, we have the ability to shape perceptions, change behaviors, and even make a positive impact on society. It’s truly amazing to see how an idea can come to life and capture the hearts and minds of consumers.
At Energy BBDO, we strive to push the boundaries of creativity and create work that stands out. Whether it’s through breakthrough cultural activations, compelling content, or immersive brand experiences, our goal is to connect with people on a deeper level, leave a lasting impression, and generate business impact for our clients.
FWM: You are one of the best brand marketers in the business. Share a few of your successful campaigns with Energy BBDO.
I’ve worked on several successful and meaningful campaigns during my time at Energy BBDO. I am always driven by making authentic connections with target consumers, and creating a positive impact on the world by leveraging my superpower: strategic thinking, creativity, and empathy. With a background in different countries and languages, I understand diverse consumer identities and craft resonating campaigns.
One campaign that stands out is our collaboration with Kerrygold Butter, addressing the desire of millennial parents to involve their children in the kitchen. We designed an immersive experience called The Magical Pantry, seamlessly integrating kid-friendly recipes into children’s stories. With unique character customization, nearly 40 specially designed recipes, and 4 original fables, the Magical Pantry brings a multitude of recipe-story combinations to life.
Another notable campaign was our work with Bayer’s Claritin, combating botanical sexism in pollen reduction through the DiversiTree Project. We launched a campaign to counter decades-old practices of planting excessive male trees, which release pollen and cause allergies. By educating people about the importance of planting female trees that absorb pollen and promoting diverse tree planting and hosting female tree-planting events, we aim to reduce pollen levels. Without female trees to absorb it, pollen spreads widely and triggers allergies.
There are many more campaigns I am proud to be part of, such as work for Extra Gum, The General Insurance, Bayer Asprin, Sodastream, and Brown-Forman. You can learn more at my website.
FWM: As the Global Culture Lead for Asian Leaders Circle ERG with the Omnicom Group, what are your goals?
As the Global Culture Lead for Omnicom’s Asian Leaders Circle, my primary goal is to foster a supportive and inclusive environment for Asian professionals within the Omnicom Group. We provide growth opportunities, mentorship, and networking to help them excel in their careers.
One of our key objectives is to promote diversity and representation within the industry. I believe that diverse perspectives lead to more innovative and impactful work. By advocating for greater inclusion of Asian talent, I hope to break down barriers and ensure that their voices are heard and valued in the workplace.
Additionally, I strive to create initiatives that celebrate Asian culture and heritage by bridging my background and expertise in art and music. By organizing cultural celebrations, art shows, music salons, workshops, panels, and educational programs, we foster a sense of pride and belonging among our Asian employees, while also raising awareness and understanding among the broader Omnicom network.
FWM: How have you broken boundaries?
I moved from China to the US at the age of 17 by myself, becoming the first person from my hometown to be admitted to top music schools in the US. After a decade as a concert pianist, I transitioned to the advertising/marketing/media industry, constantly breaking boundaries and challenging conventional thinking.
Most recently, I blend creativity and music expertise into corporate and client-centric work, championing diverse thinking and representation for a more inclusive and equitable work environment and advertising industry. As a brand marketer, I push the limits of advertising/marketing by embracing emerging technologies and cultural shifts, delivering innovative and impactful campaigns for our clients. As the Global Culture Lead for Omnicom’s Asian Leaders Circle, I have worked to break down barriers and advocate for diversity and inclusion, ensuring equal opportunities for people from underrepresented communities to succeed and thrive.
FWM: You were recognized as one of the most “Inspiring Women” by Campaign US. What inspires you?
I find inspiration in many different aspects of life.
Firstly, the people around me – my team, friends, and even strangers I just met. Their uniqueness and collaboration inspire innovation and growth.
Secondly, the power of creativity and compelling storytelling. Marketing and communications offer opportunities to inspire and uplift people, spark conversations, and bring positive change.
Lastly, diversity and representation’s transformative power drive me to advocate for change and create opportunities for underrepresented voices.
Have you ever met someone that somewhat does it all? That’s Lady T’Mil Curtis for sure! She is a well-rounded expert in the areas of marketing, coaching, ministry, public speaking, event production, promotion, and the list goes on.
From the inner city of Chicago, born and raised, she is cultured and comes fashioned with impressive knowledge and education about a variety of things. She attended an Episcopalian Grammar School that started cultivating her entrepreneurial spirit at an early age. Being a fast learner and always loving a challenge, she graduated early at age 16 with a 3.5 GPA after dropping out her senior year. “School was boring, and I couldn’t express my creativity like I wanted, so I dropped out. But that was even more boring, so enrolling in an accelerated session proved to be the spark I needed to finish.”
Basically, you bring me what you’ve created, and I help navigate how that creation goes from concept to launch.
Be it in ministry or the mainstream marketplace, Lady T’Mil uses her dominant spiritual gifts of administration and teaching to propel individuals to higher levels in their respective arenas. On top of all the hands-on work that she does in these arenas, she’s also a marketing strategist, author, content creator, digital distribution specialist, public speaker, blogger, and a virtual operations trainer. Her writings provoke people to not only think, but to think at a higher level and from a fresher perspective, while her intellect ignites conversations that are significant and memorable.
She just launched her latest venture, The Ministry GPS, created to help churches, leaders and non-profits better navigate the virtual space. With so many areas and fields of interest under her belt, she enjoys coaching off the radar. Her ability to counsel and encourage clients is uncanny because she does it without you knowing what she’s doing. And she’s a unique coach because she’s able to combine her expertise along with her experience that helps Entrepreneurs, ARTrepreneurs and creatives reach their goals.
FWM: You are known as a well-rounded expert in marketing, coaching, ministry, and public speaking. Share your background.
There are so many facets to me, and it comes from my mom actually. She encouraged me to not just be good at one thing but to be good at being T’Mil. This means every gift that I’ve been blessed with is valuable. Every talent and skill I have is worth using. I’m a church baby, if you will, so, ministry is my foundation and I’m grateful I’ve learned how to marry it with the secular side of who I am.
FWM: Tell us about The Itsladytmil Agency and how you are helping entrepreneurs, ARTrepreneurs and Creatives.
The Itsladytmil Agency started as an answer. So many are gifted and talented but lack administration and/or accountability. I help to bring strategy to life in a comprehensive way that doesn’t make people feel like their creativity is being hindered when handling the business side of things. Basically, you bring me what you’ve created, and I help navigate how that creation goes from concept to launch.
FWM: How have you utilized your spiritual gifts of administration and teaching to propel individuals to higher levels?
I’m a bottom-line kind of person so I always want to know what your end goal and or purpose is. I then help organize and create strategies that someone can follow to achieve said goals. When it comes to teaching, that’s my first love. I enjoy expanding and edifying minds to see beyond what’s in front of them. I’m of the mind that when people leave my presence, they should be impacted for the better.
FWM: What has God taught you?
One thing I needed to understand was that as we try to find God, He is actively looking to find us. If you can’t find God, start to worship and He will find you. Hebrews 11:6 says it is impossible to please God without faith; we must believe that He exists and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.” Another key thing God taught me was every blessing and His favor is attached to who He created me to be. Being my authentic self; even when I’m unsure yet I trust Him, can and has opened so many doors for me. Lastly, I will highlight He has taught me the importance of community. He never created us to be an island of one so finding your tribe if you will and being intentionally about building relationships is success to me.
FWM: At the heart of every endeavor is your desire to serve and see people win! Explain.
I believe in servanthood. I think that’s one of the greatest ways we can show God in the earth. Using my gifts and callings to serve others is what yields success in my eys. So, it’s not about the “thank you” even though that’s good lol it’s more so sowing good seeds through my actions that keeps me going.
Rave Reviews from clients:
Lady T’Mil Curtis is a serial, gifted, and accomplished entrepreneur. A mentor to creatives, she is passionate about galvanizing others to operate at their highest level. She possesses an uncanny wealth of knowledge, providing you with advice and counsel that produces tangible results. Lady T’Mil has motivated me to keep moving forward even when the odds seem stacked against you. I highly recommend her services. If you are looking to take your business, ministry, brand, or creative endeavor to the next level, Lady T’Mil is the one for you.
Tia W. Cooke Cooke Consulting & Creations Brand Strategist
Lady T’Mil is an EXCEPTIONAL woman who is very knowledgeable of the ins and outs of her industry, and is a PIT BULL who continually breaks down barriers and barricades! Watching her continually shows me that if you do your part, God will take care of the rest! I remember when I was at one of the lowest points in my life, T’Mil gathered all of her friends to send videos to me which created an all out FB concert and I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT! Knowing that she bounced back from sickness and is now thriving let’s me know that my time isn’t complete and that I’m just at the beginning. I love T’Mil and I count it an honor to know such a woman.
Fulks Worship Leader/Indie Artist
FWM: Tell us about your latest venture, The Ministry GPS and how you are changing the world.
The Ministry GPS was birthed at the beginning of the pandemic. I’ve been doing virtual/digital operations since 2015 so, the pivot for me was easy. I took that knowledge along with my years in ministry and started helping pastors, churches and person ministries leverage or create their digital presence. I’ve always said the virtual space wasn’t going anywhere and now more than ever, it’s necessary.
FWM: Please share your upcoming projects.
The biggest is accepting the position of General Manager with VGNBae Music Group out of Houston, Texas. One of my goals is expanding the label and studio into television and film projects. Also looking into new collaborations that will cross various genres of music. I’m also getting back into management but with a more focused clientele than before. I have a heart for musicians and producers so working with them to help ensure their business acumen and administration is top tier like their creativity.
Photo Credit: Joshua Simmons
T’Mil and Vgnbae co-founders Dominique Side and Anthony Hall.
What will people notice when working with you?
I’m real. I don’t work with anyone or on any project I don’t believe in. So, you get 100% of T’Mil. I’m a provoker; I’m going to push you outside of your comfort zone into greater. I’m an encourager; I will motivate you until times get better. And I am the solution; If you work with me on any level, you’ll have the tools needed to navigate you towards the success your life/business/ministry deserves.
For more information or to contact Lady T’Mil, please visit www.itsladytmil.agency Social Media – Facebook: T’Mil Curtis, IG, Twitter, LinkedIn, Clubhouse & Wisdom: @itsladytmil
About VGNBae Music Group
VGNBae Music Group is a multi-genre label and the brainchild of two multi-talented creatives, Anthony Hall, and Dominique Side. With artists in gospel, pop, Latin and jazz who have seen billboard and radio success, their projects have industry appeal and has placed them on some of the hottest digital platform playlists like New Gospel Friday on Spotify, Hot Latin Tracks on Pandora, and major holiday playlists with the second release from The Collective; A VGNBAE Christmas.
Cover Girl Lisa Edelstein is an American actress and playwright. Edelstein is known for playing Dr. Lisa Cuddy on the Fox medical drama series House. Between 2014 and 2018, she starred as Abby McCarthy in the Bravo series Girlfriends’ Guide to Divorce.
BEHIND THE WOMAN
FWM: You are known all over the world. People often confuse what we do with who we are. What is it that really makes you a formidable woman?
LE: I don’t think there is a woman in my business that hasn’t had to overcome an enormous amount of rejection and pressure and dismissive or abusive treatment. That includes me. And that, alone, makes one formidable. No matter what business a person is in, following one’s dreams is terrifying to most. Knowing what you want and going for it despite a million things that could or should work against you, that makes a woman formidable and I am that woman, too, to be sure. I am not, however, the ex-head of Princeton Plainsboro Hospital, nor am I a divorcee who writes inspirational books. I’m not an ex-hooker, I’m not a trans-woman, and I’m not the drug-addled daughter of a powerful agent, but I tend to get credit for all these things when I’m out and about, which is pretty hilarious. And maybe that makes me formidable as well.
My mind is always wanting to tell stories, even when I’m not working, and it doesn’t take a day off.
Formidable Woman Cover Girl Lisa Edelstein
FWM: People tend to see the glory but rarely know the story. Tell us about some of your pains and challenges along the way to landing your toughest roles.
LE: Any of the roles you have seen me play I landed after not getting roles that meant the world to me. It’s between the jobs that people don’t realize are the most difficult and challenging times in any creative artist’s life. For every role, there were five that didn’t happen. So the question is the wrong one, landing jobs is the victory lap. Waiting for those jobs, believing in yourself in the downtimes, insisting on having a place in this world – that is where the real glory lies.
FWM: In your industry, what do you feel has been the hardest hurdle to jump? How has it shaped you, if at all?
LE: Learning to be patient, to wait for the right job, to believe in yourself enough that it’s worth waiting for – those are some serious life skills one needs to develop. My mind is always wanting to tell stories, even when I’m not working, and it doesn’t take a day off. I’ve found that it’s deeply important to stay creative – whether it’s acting, writing, directing or even drawing, so that my brain doesn’t, metaphorically speaking, eat itself.
Knowing what you want and going for it despite a million things that could or should work against you, that makes a woman formidable and I am that woman, too, to be sure.
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FWM: You are successful and wear many hats. What is your advice on balancing personal life and Hollywood?
LE: “Hollywood” is just an idea. This is my job, which I love enormously and am so grateful for. This is my family, who I also love and am grateful for. These are my friends, people I work with, or my husband works with, or that we met out in the world and enjoy. There is no separation between personal life and “Hollywood.”
FWM: What can women looking to enter your field work on now to prepare for the landscape?
LE: People should just work on themselves, on finding their own voice. This business relishes unique voices and ideas. In fact, that’s all one really has to offer, beyond an excellent work ethic, and it’s incredibly valuable. There is no one else like you, no one can bring what you bring, no one else has your brain. Learning to honor your own imagination is the best ticket you have into the world of entertainment.
HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA – NOVEMBER 10: Lisa Edelstein and Michael Douglas attend the Los Angeles Premiere of ‘The Kominsky Method ‘ at AFI Fest at The Roosevelt Hotel on November 10, 2018 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by Rachel Murray/Getty Images for Netflix)
FWM: If you could travel anywhere in the world where would you go and why?
LE: I miss traveling so much! I want to go back to Japan, we promised our youngest who had a zoom bar-mitzvah during Covid, that in exchange for all that work we’d take him back there. He’s been obsessed with Japanese culture since we took him when he was 9. And my dad, who will be 85 this summer, would like to go back, too. He was stationed there in the early 60’s, my brother was born there on the base. So, it would be wonderful to take my parents along, too. And I want to go back to Thailand with my husband. I went alone the first time, and want to share it with him. I want to see New Zealand and Australia, Eastern Europe, Brazil, Chile, England, Scotland, Ireland, Amsterdam, Norway….I have such wonderful memories in BC, I want to be in those beautiful forests again. There are seriously very few places I don’t want to go, so the list will get too long for this article. If I haven’t mentioned a place already, just assume I want to go there, too.
Learning to honor your own imagination is the best ticket you have into the world of entertainment.
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA – JUNE 08: Alan Arkin and Lisa Edelstein speak onstage at the Netflix “The Kominsky Method” FYSEE Event at Raleigh Studios on June 08, 2019 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Emma McIntyre/Getty Images for Netflix)
FWM: What has been your favorite role and why?
LE: I’ve had a lot of favorite roles. It was my favorite role to be on Seinfeld, it jump-started me in the business in LA and was particularly exciting to be on. It was my favorite role to be on Relativity, telling a meaningful story about an LGBTQ+ woman and getting to break barriers with the first ever lesbian make-out scene permitted on network TV. It was my favorite job to be on the West Wing, working with such talent both on and off the screen. And then House, of course, a life-changing experience to be on a show that was such a massive success and so smartly written. And to play my beloved Abby McCarthy on Girlfriends’ Guide to Divorce – that was a dream come true. To be the lead of a well written dramady, to get to act my face off and wear such gorgeous clothes, to work a solid 14-hours a day for five seasons. I was in absolute heaven. And since then, working with Alan Arkin and Michael Douglas – that’s just an arm pincher (meaning I have to pinch my arm to remind myself it’s true.)
FWM’s Queen of Real Estate Issue (May/June print) Real Estate mogul and Covergirl Egypt Sherrod who is making serious boss moves in the real estate arena, an industry traditionally dominated by men.
Photo Credit: Mike Eaton
The name Egypt Sherrod speaks volumes. Speaker, author, radio personality, television host, philanthropist, wife, mother and Real Estate mogul. She is truly a Renaissance Woman. Known as the host of HGTV’s Property Virgins and Flipping Virgins, Egypt has come into our homes with her vibrant personality. It is her goal to inspire women and influence them to create the life they love. Egypt has shown us that our lives are only limited by our imaginations.
FWM: Egypt, I am so excited about this interview. Introduce yourself and your business?
ES: I am Egypt Sherrod, Mother, Wife, Real Estate Broker, Business Owner, TV & Radio Personality, Author and Speaker.
FWM: What first drew your interest to the real estate industry?
ES: I grew up with uncles who were in the real estate business, brokers, agents, investors. So it has been embedded in me from an early age that real estate was the foundation of wealth. My goal was never to work in real estate though. As a matter of fact, when I graduated from college, I majored in communications. That led me to a career in radio for almost two decades. But at some point, in my twenties a light bulb went off.
Once I started earning money from my radio career, I knew I had to invest it somewhere smart. Again, real estate was embedded in my brain. So, I started my real estate career as an investor, which eventually led me to becoming a licensed agent. Ultimately, I got bit by the real estate bug and became a broker, making real estate my full-time career.
FWM: As a woman in real estate, what do you feel has been the hardest obstacle to overcome?
ES: At this point in my career the main hurdle is balancing and juggling clients. I always want my clients to have an incredible personalized service experience, so I put alot of pressure on myself. Early in my career, the hurdle was just about digesting all the information, laws, rules, contracts etc. But once you have that under your belt, the hurdles become more about daily management of your business.
FWM: As a real estate mogul, author, television personality, wife and mother you wear many hats. What is your advice on balancing family and business?
ES: To be truthful, I am still figuring it out myself. LOLOL…. I have a new baby, Harper Skye, who is 3 months old. So, this will be a new lesson in balancing for me. Having a great support system, requiring my partner to be accountable as well, asking for help, and taking mental health breaks when needed, are all a part of successfully balancing my life.
Photo Credit: Mike Eaton
FWM: Please tell us about the Egypt Cares Family Foundation.
ES: It is a non-profit I founded 9 years ago to help bridge socio economical gaps in the community I serve. So, we provide free financial bootcamps, educating families on wealth building and management, credit restoration, and home ownership. We also provide fun programs for the kids. I love it!
It has been embedded in me from an early age that real estate was the foundation of wealth
FWM: What tools and/or strategic partnerships have you put in place to help women? And the community?
ES: This ties back to my non-profit. The reason I founded the organization is because I wanted to have an organization that directly addressed the needs of women and men in our community on a grassroots level. So many times we donate our money or our time to organizations, but we don’t know for sure if those funds ever trickle down to the people we intend to help. This was my way of ensuring I was making a profound difference and would leave a legacy.
FWM: What is next in the life of Egypt Sherrod?
ES: Well right now I am taking time to enjoy my new baby. I think it’s important to stop and smell the roses, and take inventory of how far we’ve come. So that is what I am doing at the moment, just taking time to refresh and renew. I do expect to have my 2nd book out at after first quarter of 2020 though, and I am traveling often and headlining at wealth and women’s empowerment conferences nationally. So, I will be coming to a city near you soon.
FWM: How can people connect to you outside of this interview?
ES: You can find me on Instagram and Facebook @EgyptSherrod
Cover Photo Credit: Mike Eaton Print Available for order on June 30
Niya Brown Matthews is a force to be reckoned with. She is a certified life coach, author, motivational speaker and so much more. It is her purpose in life to empower women through transparency and authenticity. Her “Soul Food Sessions with Niya” allow women to reconnect mind, body and soul. Let’s meet Niya.
FW: Good Morning Niya. I am so excited about this interview! Introduce yourself and your business?
NBM: I am a certified life coach, author, motivational speaker, mother, wife, two-time breast cancer survivor, Ambassador for Ford’s Warriors in Pink and have retired from 20 years in real estate to begin Chapter 2 of my life which is Women’s Empowerment.
FW: Tell me about Soul Food Sessions with Niya.
NBM: Soul Food Sessions with Niya is a women’s empowerment organization that’s geared around motivating and inspiring them to become better versions of themselves-mind, body and soul. Most of the time, we as women, career women, mothers and corporate executives are always on the go doing everything for everybody. I am concerned about our centering part, which is neglected. I wanted to design a platform to pour back into the women who are everything to everybody. Women’s empowerment is the core of who I am. I wanted to create something that was God led. God is my foundation.
FW: How do you handle stress in your business?
NBM: I am a praying woman and I do know the order of my household: God, family and then success. My prayer life is on 10. I learned to shut out all the ways of the world. I listen to inspirational music. I shut down for an hour every morning: prayer, music, worship mode and I read the Word.
Read more of this dynamic interview with Niya in our March print issue!
Making Boss Moves
A GREAT DAY IN HOLLYWOOD
As the interview ensued for this 3.5 octave, soprano, alto AND tenor vocalist, actor and activist, Antonique Smith was in her home state of East Orange, New Jersey preparing to speak and sing at The Confluence Gala, where corporate leaders who are in the 1% of the wealthy, gathered to hear about climate change; environmental justice, clean energy alternatives and health solutions for residents impacted by high rates of heart disease, asthma and cancer caused by neighborhood oil-drilling, corporate dumping and power plant emissions.
Smith is not some wild-child, tree-hugger in the pejorative sense. Known as the impassioned voice of the climate change movement, this Grammy-nominated vocal powerhouse is using her talents to speak for the voiceless and to chart her own path to success in film and TV, and the only way she knows how to execute it is to keep the process and delivery 100% R E A L.
SHE’S THE ONE
Most famous for her role in the 2009 hip/hop and R&B love story, Notorious, as the beloved lead female role of Faith Evans, Smith nabbed that role with a deep knowing that it was hers to begin with and a fighting determination to prove to the director and producer that she was thee perfect talent to portray Evans with grit, and sex appeal and to deliver a believable performance, where loyal fans and viewers who were holding a microscopic lense to her performance would embrace and herald her work with rave reviews.
RENAISSANCE WOMAN
Before crowdfunding became wildly popular, in 2012 Antonique became the first African-American soloist to raise $50K, in 30 days, using Kickstarter to finance her EP project, Love is Everything. As if raising this type of capital in such a short amount of time wasn’t enough of a boss move, her single, Hold Up Wait a Minute (Woo-Woo), went on to receive a Grammy nom.
Read the rest of the interview in our print issue here.
March, designated as National Women’s History Month since 1987, invites us to celebrate the incredible achievements of women worldwide. In the spirit of recognizing remarkable women, we delve into the inspiring story of Keisha Saunders-Waldron, a highly accomplished Licensed Professional Counselor Supervisor, mental health advocate, and founder of Confidential Confessions Counseling Services. Featured on renowned platforms such as Forbes, Business Insider, and Essence’s Girls United, Keisha’s expertise in counseling and holistic approaches has left an indelible mark on the mental health landscape. As a licensed professional counselor supervisor, she empowers individuals and families to enhance their quality of life. Keisha’s academic journey is marked by a Master’s degree in Science and Service Agency Counseling from the University of North Carolina at Pembroke and a Bachelor’s degree in Arts and Science in Psychology from the University of North Carolina at Greensboro.
A Conversation with Keisha: Nurturing Passions, Advocating for Mental Health
Can you tell us about your journey and what inspired you to become a Licensed Professional Counselor Supervisor?
Keisha: Believe it or not, my journey began in my early years, with the animated shenanigans of Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd. There was this one comical episode where Bugs played the therapist and oddly enough, that hilarious episode stuck with me, becoming one of my earliest memories that sparked a tiny flame of intrigue. As I marched through the halls of academia, soaking up knowledge like a sponge, I stumbled upon an extraordinary psychology teacher. I found myself captivated, eventually deciding to pursue a degree in psychology. Little did I know, this choice would set the stage for an incredible journey. The mental health field welcomed me with open arms, from the beginning. It was a fascinating and eye-opening experience, delving into the intricacies and sometimes labyrinthine politics of this realm.
One thing became crystal clear during this time, the services and support available were not always easily understood, especially in marginalized communities. This realization fueled a fire within me. It lit up my path, urging me to delve deeper into education, to become a voice for those whose voices often went unheard. And here I am today, wearing the badge of a Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor Supervisor with pride. Now, my mission has expanded — I’m helping mold the next generation of counselors. I guide and mentor graduate students, honing their skills and nurturing their passion.
Together, we’re working to fill the voids within our field, ensuring that more compassionate, skilled counselors emerge to serve and uplift our communities. Every day is a chance to inspire, learn, and make a meaningful difference in the lives of countless individuals.
You’ve worked with a diverse range of clients, including R&B artists, NFL players, and corporate executives. What unique challenges do high-profile clients often face when seeking counseling, and how do you address them
Keisha: One of the foremost concerns high-profile clients bring to counseling is the need for absolute confidentiality. They rightfully worry about breaches of their privacy, which can have significant repercussions for their careers and personal lives. Maintaining confidentiality and trust is paramount. Additionally, managing their public image, balancing work-life demands, and coping with high levels of stress are common issues. To address these challenges, I prioritize confidentiality, offering secure and discreet counseling environments, and tailor my approach to their specific needs, recognizing the unique pressures they face.
Techniques such as stress management, time management, and communication skills are often incorporated to help them navigate their unique circumstances effectively. In these moments, we are helping them recognize these stressors and validate their humanness while cultivating a safe space for them to just “be”.
When it comes to romantic relationships, feeling safe and secure is paramount for women. Safety plays a crucial role in establishing trust, emotional well-being, and overall satisfaction within a relationship. While each individual’s definition of safety may vary, certain universal factors contribute to creating a secure space with male partners. Understanding these safety measures can empower women to navigate their relationships with confidence and clarity.
Require Communication Open and honest communication serves as the cornerstone of a healthy relationship. Feeling safe with a partner often begins with the ability to express thoughts, feelings, and concerns without the fear of judgment or reprisal. Men who actively listen, validate emotions, and engage in constructive dialogue foster an environment where women feel heard and understood. Effective communication promotes transparency, builds trust, and helps partners navigate challenges collaboratively. Not having this safety to communicate is a red flag.
Look for Respect Mutual respect is another non-negotiable. Having this mutual respect for each other forms the foundation of any successful relationship. Women feel safe in the presence of men who demonstrate respect for their boundaries, opinions, and autonomy. Respectful behavior includes honoring personal space, acknowledging individual differences, and valuing each other’s perspectives. When women feel respected by their partners, they are more likely to feel secure, valued, and appreciated in the relationship.
Expect Consistency Another safety factor is consistency. Consistency in both words and actions is essential for cultivating a sense of safety in a relationship. Women are more likely to feel secure with men who demonstrate reliability, honesty, and follow-through in their commitments. Predictable behavior and a stable emotional environment contribute to a sense of security and trust. Inconsistent or erratic behavior can trigger feelings of uncertainty and anxiety, undermining a woman’s sense of safety within the relationship.
Watch for Empathy and Emotional Support Empathy plays a vital role in creating emotional intimacy and connection between partners. Men who demonstrate empathy by understanding and validating their partner’s emotions contribute to a safe and supportive relationship environment. This may look like providing emotional support during times of distress, offering reassurance, or showing compassion. All of these foster a sense of security and closeness. Women tend to feel safe with men who offer a listening ear, show empathy, and provide comfort in moments of vulnerability.
Monitor Boundaries and Consent Not enough can be said for boundaries. Respecting boundaries and honoring consent are essential aspects of safety in any relationship. Women feel safe with men who prioritize their physical and emotional boundaries, seek consent in all interactions, and prioritize mutual respect in intimate situations. Clear communication about personal boundaries, consent, and mutual agreement on relationship dynamics contribute to a sense of safety, trust, and respect between partners.
In a nutshell, a sense of safety in relationships with men is multifaceted and encompasses various aspects of communication, respect, consistency, empathy, and boundaries. By understanding these safety triggers and advocating for their presence in their relationships, women can cultivate a sense of safety, security, and well-being with their male partners. Building a foundation of trust, respect, and emotional connection greatly enhances the quality of relationships and fosters a nurturing environment where both partners can thrive.
In celebration of Black History Month, we shine a spotlight on the remarkable contributions of Dr. Peggy Roberts, a trailblazing African American doctor who is transforming women’s healthcare in the New York tri-state area. With a profound commitment to addressing the unique needs of women, Dr. Roberts stands as a beacon of hope, empowering countless women whose voices have been overlooked for far too long. Dr. Roberts, a board-certified Women’s Health Nurse Practitioner, has dedicated over a decade to providing comprehensive care for women of all ages.
As the Founder and Operator of Trust Women’s Healthcare in the heart of Brooklyn’s Bedford Stuyvesant, she has made it her life’s mission to bridge healthcare gaps and provide the highest level of medical care to her patients. Armed with a Bachelor of Science and a Master of Science degree from SUNY Downstate Health Sciences University, School of Public Health, Dr. Roberts is a pioneer in her field. Her expertise spans preventive medicine, high-risk pregnancies, and various gynecological conditions, making her a trusted figure in women’s health. Beyond her clinical practice, Dr. Roberts has collaborated with Kingsborough Community College to develop a Maternal Health Certificate curriculum, aimed at enhancing maternal healthcare for new mothers.
As an Assistant Clinical Professor at Hofstra University and a proud member of the Board of LIFT-NY, she continues to inspire change and advocate for women’s health on multiple fronts. Join us in honoring Dr. Peggy Roberts during this Black History Month, recognizing her outstanding contributions to healthcare, her dedication to bridging gaps, and her commitment to empowering women across the community.
Tami Jackson, Advancing Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Justice in Workplaces
Tami Jackson is an Instructional Designer with The Winters Group, Inc. She creates customized learning experiences that engage and push learners towards solutions that advance diversity, equity, inclusion and justice within their workplaces, communities and themselves. Tami is passionate about creating content that engages and transforms learners by remaining intentional about centering the needs, shared experiences and perspectives of those who’ve been historically excluded — with special care towards Black women, femmes and others impacted by misogynoir.
In the newly released RACIAL JUSTICE AT WORK: Practical Solutions for Systemic Change (Berrett-Koehler Publishers; Publication Date: February 14, 2023; ISBN: 978-1520003624: $24.95) Mary-Frances Winters and The Winters Group team focus their narrative on reimagining policies, practices, procedures, and ways of working and being that foster fairness, equity, and opportunity for all. Tami Jackson’s chapter focuses on “professionalism”.
FWM: When was the first time you realized you would need to completely change who you were to be successful in the workplace?
Hmm. If I am being honest, I was made aware and taught that I had to change who I was to succeed from the beginning of my insertion into the educational system. So many Black kids, teens, and young adults are taught from a very young age to assimilate, code-switch, and mask for survival and for a chance to “make it.” The socialization began pretty early in my life, but it certainly worsened as I entered my late teens and early adulthood. So many elders, relatives, advisers, bosses, recruiters, and HR directors spent a lot of time and energy reminding me (both directly and indirectly) that if I were to be taken seriously, get the job, garner respect, or even be heard when I spoke. I would need to assimilate and behave a way that made white folks and those who upheld the norms of white supremacy comfortable with me.
I would not say there is no one incident in particular but more of a generally forced socialization that happened throughout my coming-of-age. The bottom line is this: I was taught and expected to assimilate for both safety and success – for many before me; the concept is hand-in-hand and intrinsically linked.
FWM: When you adapted yourself for white comfort, did you realize then and there that you were losing a piece of yourself? How did you handle that?
One of the first things I realized when I consciously made changes to my personhood to adapt to the expectations of the white gaze as it relates to professionalism in the workplace was that I learned real quick that it didn’t matter what I did or what changes I made or how much I adjusted, there was always something about me because I was a Black woman. A large Black woman of generous size and stature. I would always be seen as a disruption because both Blackness and womanhood are not seen as the standard in most workspaces. My existence in the space disrupted the expected cultural sightlines within those workspaces, and as such, I was constantly experiencing friction and expectation to conform until all aspects of my personhood was dust. I literally stand out in multiple ways. The perpetual nail that sticks up, just begging for the tools of white supremacy to hammer me into submission.
So yeah, I was hurt initially and very early in my career and had difficulty processing that hurt. After I metabolized the hurt, I started to defend myself. And when I say, “defend myself” I mean to defend the entire wholeness of who I am.
I also started to get really familiar with the internal policies and procedures at the places where I was employed. I found in doing this, I was better equipped to navigate challenging situations and advocate for myself and my work with better fluency. Honing that skillset allowed me to shift to being confident in knowing I was a culture add and not someone who was simply a culture fit.
You know how if you ever get a perm, but no matter how much you wrap your hair at night, avoid water and sweat, and use that ceramic flatiron, that new growth will still push through and you’ll eventually need a touch-up?
So, I took the “natural girl” way and just started to let my “new growth” grow slowly on its own but first got rid of the split ends. This process was intentional and it was strategic with the understanding it would not come without conflict or risk.
FWM: In RJAW you mentioned that through this process of reconstructing yourself to fit ‘white norms’ that your mental health was hindered because of this. What were the steps of the healing process led you to this point?
Yeah, I mentioned that BECAUSE of the expectations to conform and perform what I like to call “Professionalism Olympics,” my mental health took a major hit. I started off with a choice to take my mental health seriously. I was starting to pick up patterns that were indicators that my mental health was in jeopardy.
For instance, I remember laying on the bathroom floor of the executive woman’s restroom one late night (you know their bathrooms are gonna be clean *eye roll* ) and emptying out the contents of my lunch in that cold, white porcelain because I was physically getting sicker and sicker keeping up this performance. There were even times I had to check myself into the urgent care because I was confident that I was having a heart attack or going into cardiac arrest – only for the nurse to run a test and tell me I was physically fine. What I was physically experiencing, were physical manifestations of how the stressors of fighting for my humanity in those toxic-ass spaces were tearing me up from the inside out.
FWM: When it comes to organizations implementing DEIJ into their workforce, you mentioned that the current structure and policies need to be looked at. Why is that crucial not only for diversity and inclusion but to ensure the safety and wellness of Black women and marginalized groups.
I mean, Imma keep it 100% with you — it’s vital to implement these policies because any other effort is perfunctory. You have to get to the problem from the root. The way Black (btw, I ALWAYS capitalize the “B” in “Black”) women and other historically marginalized groups are treated in these spaces is the fruit of a tainted and poisoned tree. You can prune and pluck the fruit off all day, and still, the core, the source of the where the fruit comes from, is poison. Policies are about both culture and accountability. And while some of us can and do have influence at the highest levels to influence policy change within an organization, the vast majority of us may not. That is why it is important to move with intention when we are searching for our next career opportunities and have conversations about the organization’s culture and policies from the very beginning of your professional relationship. Prior to 2020, would you have asked any questions about the organization’s recent DEI commitments? Would you have been curious about the racial, gender, sexual orientation, etc., demographics of both the team and organization at large? How about if your manager had ever managed a Black woman before, and if so, what did they learn from that experience? Who was the last person that left the team, and why? Who was the last person promoted? Has the organization recently had layoffs? How have their DEI efforts changed and grown since 2020? These are just a few examples of questions to think about as you plan your next move.
With that said, organizations that genuinely wish to make a lasting organizational change must spend time revisiting, revising, restructuring, and rewriting their policies and procedures to be inclusive of their entire workforce. The corporate workforce is an institution — small societies that are created with their own rules, regulations, and expectations that the larger body agrees to. We need to understand what those policies and cultural expectations are before we commit to a workplace.
It would behoove those who are looking to become more inclusive leaders to audit how Black women and other historically marginalized folks on their teams may experience the workspace very differently than them, even if they happen to share similar identities. Flat out. Otherwise, it’s just DEI cosplay, and there will be zero accountability or staying power when DEI policies are not embedded in the business outcomes of all departments — not just HR.
FWM: In the RJAW you mention it’s essential to confront these concerns upfront, preferably in the interview process? What are some tips you can give to build the confidence to do this?
Listen, I will tell you like this, something an OG told me that stuck: How do you expect change or support from anyone if you don’t even know what type of support it is that you need? That nugget stuck with me, and I applied it to my work life (and all other relationships, for that matter). Once I started looking at work similar to a relationship — that clarity really sunk in for me.
So, I took the advice that the OG gave and got very clear about what it was that I needed to succeed, and I wrote that shit down and put it on paper. When I got stuck, I asked myself, “In a PERFECT world, what would my work experience look like? How would I like to be treated by my manager, coworkers, and clients? How would I prefer to communicate? How would I best like to receive feedback on my work? On what frequency? Basically, I took the Ciara prayer and applied that to work. You have to get curious about what it is you need to succeed and have psychological safety and you need to get granular.
By doing so, I was able to get clarity on what it was I needed so I could communicate, exchange ideas, and manage up.
Clarity allows us all to move with more purpose, seek out the experiences and skills we seek to gain from the environment, and use it as a litmus if the space is not the right fit. And don’t get it twisted — this does not mean you will not experience challenges, but it will ensure you are clear on your worth and why you are there. That process has been my north star for all relationships, and it’s helped me a lot.
FWM: What are some protective styles you think work best for those who find themselves in a similar situation that you were in when being confronted with the idea of not being professional?
I ain’t even gonna hold you — I actually don’t think that any protective hairstyle is one that is a “best fit.” I feel like the best fit is the one you feel the most confident and comfortable with and can best manage. When I entered the corporate game, I was taught to wear my hair straight with a perm, but that’s b.s, and I refuse to pass that trauma down as a standard. If that is how you wanna rock your hair, then by all means, get into it. But frankly, I started interviewing with braids and different hair colors out the gate because that is who I am. It is an exercise in self-love and acceptance. I also found in doing so, the shock and awe about when and how my hair looks became less of a factor than had I played this part and switched it up on the back end.
It’s important to acknowledge that I get if you need to do what you gotta do to get the job so you can eat and pay your bills. I feel that, and I have been in that position. Just make sure you are strategic and move with intention the next time you’re interviewing and allow your current gig to finance your search for the next gig that is a better fit for you. Trust yourself. You’ll intrinsically know when it’s time to stick and move differently than you have been in times previous.
The bottom line is: Changing our hair ain’t gonna change our skin color, heritage, or how Blackness is viewed in a hegemonic, white dominant patriarchal society. And as soon as I got honest with that truth, it became easier for me to see things as they are and identify the spaces and places I could make the best impact and when. I started to learn, through trial and error, that my most authentic self would not protect me from challenge or friction, but it also made room for me to do my best work because I stopped shouldering the burden of trying to juggle impractical expectations on my personhood. That is not my burden to carry.
FWM: What are some of the staple pieces in your closet that you feel still represent who you are, while also maintaining a professional image?
All stuff they tell us not to wear. Colors, patterns, a little sequin, and polka dot with some Js or Air Maxes. Big-ass bow or headwrap in my hair or a flower. I wear lots of bright colors and patterns because 1) They make me happy. 2) They make me feel good. 3) They represent my culture and heritage. 4) They allow me to serve as a possibility model for others behind me who have never seen a woman like me honor space around her body the way I do. I am not invisible, so I refuse to treat myself like I am. Or show up as if I am ashamed of who I am just because my existence and the literal space I take up makes some people uncomfortable. That’s not my burden.
I promise they’ll notice you anyway, so you might as well be you to the extent that you feel you best can manage.
But one thing to keep in mind, the professional appearance standards are not the same across the board and for different body types. I have a unique set of challenges to navigate as I am tall, big, and Black. I am as tall and weigh more than the starting defensive end for the Philadelphia Eagles but in the body of a Black woman. So, even when I was in “compliance” with the dress code and professional expectations, I was still getting the smoke because I didn’t and couldn’t fit the convention. So, I started focusing on how the clothes fit and how they made me feel in my “unconventional” body. Sure, I’ll rock a blazer, but it’s probably going to be canary yellow or purple with broad shoulders. I’ll wear trousers and slacks, but they will probably be wide-leg with a print. Or a dress with bike shorts on underneath with a leather jacket and some Js. The better I physically feel in my attire, the better I perform.
I have a few custom pieces that I had made for my body, but they are not cheap, fast, or easily accessible, so when I give “fashion” advice, I try to keep that in mind. Also, do not go into debt trying to show out at work; they are not paying you enough, sis. Get some standards, make a capsule wardrobe at a cost you can afford, and mix and match.
FWM: If the readers want to continue their research on this topic, what are some more resources you used to gain the knowledge to combat this issue upfront?
I would say scoop a copy of Racial Justice at Work by all of us over at The Winters Group. But I would also say fortify your social media and tell your algorithm what you want to see. What you interact with, like, save, and share will reflect on your IG, TikTok, LinkedIn, and YouTube pages, so start being intentional about disrupting it with what will serve you best. For example, a few of my favorite TikTok content creators are: @mystylefile, @hragentofchaos, @jamylecannon, and @thegardeningtheologian. Give it up for: Brittany J. Harris, Madison Butler, Sacha Thompson, Dr. Janice Gassam Asara, and Caroline Wanga over on LinkedIn. As for books: Of course, Imma shout out Black Fatigue: How Racism Erodes the Mind, Body, and Spirit by Mary-Frances Winters, I’m Not Yelling: A Black Woman’s Guide to Navigating the Workplace by Elizabeth Leiba, and Right Within: How to Heal from Racial Trauma in the Workplace by Minda Harts.
FWM: What would you tell the reader if they were in a similar situation, you were in when first starting and being ridiculed for your attire?
I would tell her the same thing I have been telling myself repeatedly for years, and you’ll hear me say it often: Sis, you are not a problem to be fixed. But you will need to be intentional about how you show up.
I want readers to know that they are navigating a system. A system that is based in cishet white male standards — yes, even down to the dress. Why do you think the navy blue and black two-piece business suit is seen as the staple and gold standard of professional dress? It’s because it was manufactured in their image and those standards and those policies did not have you in mind when they were designed. And — that is not your fault. But that is often why folks are often so shook when you step outside of that convention.
I would warn her that no matter how you dress or what you do to conform, she will have risk and pushback at some point. My advice is always centered around acknowledging that. She has the agency to do what makes her feel best and perform the best in her workplace. All she needs to do is make sure her work is a value add so that her authenticity has a foundation to stand on.
Also, it’s always essential for me to acknowledge that despite my size, height, and weight, I receive privilege for being light-skinned in a white supremacist society, and due to that, sisters with a darker skin tone and thicker hair texture will be navigating realities that I do not have to navigate. With that in mind, I always want to make sure that we are all clear about how and when our privileges show up in the workplace and how (make sure you spend some time knowing what privileges you do have — not just the ones you do not) they intersect with someone else’s lived experience different from your own.
FWM: Did it ever occur to you that no matter where you worked you would be faced with the same issues? If so, how did you handle this realization?
Yes. That realization was the impetus to my digging deep and deciding to move with more intention and strategy in my personal and professional life. But, if I am being frank, and I know it is a cliche: You will not get through this life without challenge. The key is to gather as many tools as possible along your journey, like the character Link in Legend of Zelda. Know that everything, all of these challenges are teaching you something, but you have to be still enough and willing enough to self-reflect. Be real with yourself and be honest about both what you are great at and what you struggle with. You don’t wanna find yourself triagin’ your life and forever putting out fires perpetually because you have no plan and no intention with how you move.
This does not mean that ALL of your experiences have to be hard and painful ones, but it does mean getting curious about how to get your spiritual, emotional, and professional skillset weight up so you can stick and move through them with a lot more ease.
FWM: If there’s one thing you could tell your past self that you know now, what would it be?
You are not a problem to be fixed, little homie. Ask for what you need. Remember what you know.
Such an inspiration! Tamela is an amazing person! So glad I read this article. I look forward to hearing more from and about Tamela! Great article!